What kind of job market can the Class of 2010 expect?

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College hiringBetween May and June, on college campuses throughout the country, you can sense a level of excitement that is usually reserved for $1 beer night or when parents finally drive away after a weekend visit.

That excitement comes from graduation and the fact that students (at least for a few months) are done with exams, papers, lectures and studying. Perhaps forever or at least until grad school, these students are rid of the pesky academic portion of college and can now embrace the freedom of adulthood, also referred to as the “Real World.”

Because life is cruel, reality sometimes smacks students across the face with the reality that freedom, glorious freedom is filled with annoyances. Namely, the competition to land a job after graduation. Some students have jobs lined up during their senior year so graduation is one last stop before getting bigger, better paychecks. However, many students are faced with a competitive job market. They’ve spent years learning their crafts and now they have a diploma — they just need the paycheck. Who’s going to hire them?

According to a recent CareerBuilder survey, 44 percent of employers intend to hire recent college graduates. Last year 43 percent of employers said the same thing, so at least the number didn’t decrease. However, just a few years ago in 2007, a record high of 79 percent of employers said so.

That said, of the employers who will be hiring new graduates, 21 percent intend to hire more students than they did last year. Plus, 16 percent will offer higher starting salaries than they did in 2009. This year’s grads will definitely compete for jobs in a way that previous classes didn’t, but employers are at least approaching the hiring season with more attractive intentions than they did last year.

Speaking of salary, money matters. Doesn’t it always? Here’s what employers have said about salaries:

  • 33 percent will offer less than $30,000
  • 30 percent will offer salaries between $30,000 and $40,000
  • 19 percent will offer salaries between $40,000 and $50,000

If you’re a recent graduate, you’re probably wondering what will help you land the job. Luckily, the survey asked such questions.  According to employers, these items count as relevant work experience you should list on your résumé, ranked by popularity:

  • Internships — 62 percent
  • Part-time jobs in another area or field — 50 percent
  • Volunteer work — 40 percent
  • Class work — 31 percent
  • Involvement in school organizations — 23 percent
  • Involvement in managing activities for sororities and fraternities — 21 percent
  • Participation in sports — 13 percent

As you’ll discover through most of your career, employers consider experience one of the leading qualifications for a job, but they also look at a variety of factors. Employers cited the following qualities as important factors in hiring an employee:

  • Good fit with company culture
  • Comes in with good ideas and asks good questions
  • Educational background
  • Level of enthusiasm
  • Comes to interview prepared, is knowledgeable about company

And according to NACE, the National Associate of Colleges and Employers, for the first time in this academic year, college hiring is up. The bottom line? Celebrate, graduates! You’ve worked hard AND your chances of landing a job are better than they’ve been for years.

To read the full results of the CareerBuilder survey, click here.

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  2. While the percentage of employers that intend to hire recent college grads only went up slightly, at least it did not suffer due to the economy. Great information. Thank you!

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  5. My daughter graduated from college last May with a degree in Elementary Ed, a straight A student. To date she has still not gotten an offer for a teaching position from the hundreds of applications she has filled out. She eventually took a job as a teachers assistant for one handicapped child. Luck for the kid she is a certified teacher in 2 states. Unlucky for her as her salary is just above minimum wage. We’re hoping and praying for an offer for the fall, before the 2010 grads pour into the job market.

  6. America puts to much money into enterainment and sporting events and players. There are so many college graduates that have their dreams destroyed and with more and more popuation growth were are all the good paying jobs going to be produced. I am a three time college graduate and live in a area that is more and more growing into a service/retail envirorment and we all know what kind of pay and oppurunity that these type of jobs have to offer. Good luck with the job hunt, I know I have given almost up.

  7. I myself graduated with a bachelor’s and three minors in 2008, an MBA in 2009 (both from Penn State), and now I’ve been stuck in a hardware store since. Yippie. My main question – the PERCENTAGE of employers has increased, but has the number of employers increased? From what my job searches have shown, there are far less potential employers then there were even one year ago…

  8. It all depends on the luck of the draw. I graduated in May 2007 with a bachelor’s degree. I began applying for jobs in January. By July 2007, after applying for almost 75 jobs, I found the right one for me – a full-time job starting at a modest, but respectable 33k. I parlayed that position into a mid management job 8 months later in a different field and was inched above 40k within a year of graduation. I was able to land two progressivly better jobs at a time when the economy was beginning to crumble. I branched out way beyond the area I lived in, I relocated twice and shifted gears on careers completely. Now, 3 years out of school, I am making more than I imagined I would be at 25 and am almost finished with my MBA, payed for by my company. The jobs are out there, young professionals just need to hunt them down and prove that they can be a valuable asset to the success of a company, regardless of their degree or experience.

  9. Gee whiz, guess the recession is over! What a sparkling article! I’ve been a graduate for two weeks and I’ve already decided to just plunge into debt and get as much education as possible.

    Or, I could be all chipper like this article and go whistling my way down to Wal-Mart to clean up toilets, b/c that’s all a bachelor’s is worth in such an overcrowded (old people can’t retired, we keep pouring in) employee market and one with so few potential employers.

    One comfort I do take from all this is Alex Rodriguez is making $300 million to HIT A BALL WITH A FREAKING STICK, and Wall Street guys can cheat the market, get away with it, and reap rewards.

    But at least I’m “edueecated.” Heck ya Thomas Calandra, I COMPLETELY agree with you—my degree can get me a part time job at a clothing store. Woot woot

  10. We can thank Bill Gates “we can’t finid USA workers” in 2000 who ran to secure jobs for and create companies from the Nation of India–which now are the top ten IT firms on USA soil and have ALL our personal data from bank to blood type! He ran to the biggest TRAITOR-Ted Kennedy who then made certain jobs were taken from not only US Citizens of Generations as parents; but their offspring, too. Now look what we have. Open Borders USA Criminal Illegal Alien Invaders; student overstays or non attendance whatssoever then rewarded because of PETER SCHEY… Look up those names: and the ACLU which is a paradox of EVIL front for ILL’s aka and dba La RAZA=666=The Race and aids abetts, encourages sedition against us dba the USA hate mongers. We pay for their existence while they pay not TAX Call the IRS on them…

    US Troops give their lives for this…TREASON within each generations and Open Borders Invaders GOD BLESS each generation of US MILITARY and their families and mine…and those who support them–not the new Supreme Court nonminee whose these was ” Socialism in the USA” and against Military recruiting on US taxpaid campuses. Lesbians R us…along with the other Puerto Rica Welfare Affirmative Action Supreme Latina drop in on us…and Janet the cowardessa who gave away Arizona now Homeland Insecurity hiring devout Muslim Jihadists to make certain we the people are nuked. Some grad prediction…sorry all you young people that older generations sold you out and a long time ago.

  11. I still live at home with my parents. Not sure if I want get a job yet. I want to be a bum for another year and perhaps take a sabatical for 5 years in Italy.

  12. Interesting article that doesn’t really offer much new information. In fact, it probably feels like it contradicts most information that graduating students experience looking for work – because there’s very little work to be found.

    After reading the article and the comments I would offer a few key missing elements – flexibility, creativity and determination.

    Flexibility – Ok, so you graduated with a teaching degree. Currently California is cutting back its budget and education is getting killed, so not much luck getting a job. So, start your own school – develop a business plan and get an SBA loan from a bank or get your parents involved. Your parents are footing the bill for now anyway. Teach English as a second language in a foreign country and have an entirely new experience. Whaterver you do be flexible and understand that your education built the foundation.

    Creativity – Ok, so the bank said no they won’t give you the money, be creative and get a partner – your parents, grandparents, investors etc…. Whatevery you do be creative in how you get things done. This applies to everything. Ok, you live in a remote area without a car and have no clientel. use Skype and video conference your presentations to your market. Work with what you have creatively.

    Determination – It isn’t going to come easy but remember, you do great work. So, you can either choose to do great work for someone else and get a paycheck or you can choose to do great work for your own company and get customers to pay you.

    After every no there is a yes upon which some tiny world depends – don’t give up!

    Cheers,

    Dave

  13. I dislike when people try to equalize a professional athlete with a college graduate. This debate shouldn’t be for discussion when you stop and think at what percentage of those in the population that actually made it to this elite level. I’d bet you are almost as likely to be a Fortune 1000 CEO than be paid to compete at these elite levels. Sure professional athletes make millions, but most young people all dream of being the next Micheal Jordan and there is only one Lebron James to follow.

    I too have a college degree and am a working, but I never will use my education than anything other than what it is…a foot in the door. Most of us, except for those with professional degrees i.e. engineering, architecture, doctors, PhD, etc, will ever use our degree in our field. We use the skill we learn in college: to learn how to learn, and that’s usually 90% of what it takes to be successful in our future careers.

    If you are over qualified for your job, then go out there and create a new one that fits your skill set. It upsets me that we have so many talented people that blame their current job, or lack thereof, on the economy. If you’re willing to work hard, you typically create luck and land in a great job. It might take time to create that luck, but if your sitting on your rear at home waiting for someone to call it will never happen.

  14. College is very overrated. With more and more jobs going overseas, a BA in arts is going to get you nowhere. I have an Associates degree and have turned out to be pretty successful. I work for the second largest bank in the world and make very good money because I was willing to start out with a $22,000 a year salary eight years ago. You must find a company that you intend to stay with and get your foot in the door and settle for rock bottom pay. The money will come in time but you can not expect to have a company hire a fresh out of college grad for $90,000 a year. The times have changed and so has our world.

  15. It seems that the situation makes it much easier to make a decision for self-empolyment. If the jobs are scarce, then create your own. There is frivolous money spent from gaming agencies, state and federal projects, immigration bridges, even large corporations. Be creative. Offer a service that lends to these markets and their compliance. Its easier to take risks when the standard protocol poses the greatest risk. The life lesson will be more exciting and all said and done your resume will have grown, versus sat dormant. Go for it.

  16. Job opportunities are out there. People have to be willing to begin somewhere(usually at the bottom) and work their way up. Job seekers also have to be willing to relocate, yes, that means searching for jobs outside of where you grew up. How do you think most of our parents ended up in the location where we were raised? There was an opportunity available there, and they moved. It meant leaving family behind to search in areas more robust markets. Just like most of us went away to college, we can go away to work also.

  17. HOPE YOUR READY FOR THE REAL WORLD. AS A BUSINESS OWNER I CAN TELL YOU UNLESS YOU MOMMY AND DADDY HAVE SET YOU UP OR YOUR RICH UNCLE IS GIVING YOU A DO NOTHING JOB. BE PREPARED TO START AT THE BOTTOM AND WORK. LEARN YOUR STUFF, BACK STABBING AND BUTT SMOOCHING WILL GET YOU ABSOLUTLEY NOWHERE.

  18. Thomas, maybe you need to move? The jobs aren’t going to come to you. And entertainers and athletes EARN the money they get. They bring in millions of dollars to their franchise/studio. It’s not like the money would go to you if the athlete didn’t get paid, so don’t complain about it, it’s irrelevant.

  19. what is the solution for 2010 graduates? start your own business. What is the advice for future graduates? change your major to something that is flexible. gives you a unique skill set, and you can use in a number of industries. For example: Business, Marketing, or Communications.

    I am also a 2010 graduate and have exceeeded in my school and work because I decided to start my own business and learn business hands on.
    My business has been open for about 3 years and I am currently aquiring a restaurant in Old Town Pasadena, AND I AM BEARLY GRADUATING. So the best thing a graduate can do in this economy is start their own business using the skills they have aquired : ) cheers!

  20. Education is great I have three degrees myself. Don’t expect some one to just give you a job. There is a huge educated workforce. Break the Wal-Mart mentality and go into business for yourself. With the republicans privatizing everything and Union membership in decline. Say good bye to jobs that pay a living wage.

  21. Congratulations to all graduates. Hang in there and never ever give up. A good job will come your way soon. Now you have a college degree, you can compete in the job market with others and if anyone ever tell you that college degrees are a dime a dozen; you have my permission to slap them silly because they are just uneducated individuals who have no ideas how hard college courses are and they are envy of your accomplishments. Considerhow hard college is when you are a foreigner and English is not your main language like myself; however, I earned my doctoral degree from University of Phoenix complete with my approved dissertation. I am now a college professor and loving it. If I could do it, you can too. As my wise father told me thousand of times…”No one can take a way my education once I have earned it.” and he was always right. He was a very smart and compassionate MD (medical doctor). Good luck to all of you. Dr. Thien Freeman

  22. And here I thought it was just in Missouri that we had transitioned into a primarily service driven econonmy…

    I agree-our society places too much emphasison sports and entertainment-areas wehre only 1-5% of the population can actuallly get work/have a career in (no I’m not talking about the people who sell concessions, tickets, or empty the trash/clean the restroomsafter events..)

  23. As a recent 4 year grad, I decided to go to Tech school next year and do what I really want to do. I had originally gone to school with intentions of becoming a teacher, but the job market is failing miserably where I would like to teach. My second option is to work for myself, as I don’t want to end up in retail, sales, or any sort of micro-managed office job.
    This fall, I will be taking an Advance Automotive course, learning about auto restoration, upholstery, and custom painting. I hope to work at home. With “socialized” health care coming to my front door, I hope this will be a smart move.

  24. To Judi Haggie:

    There is a big problem when graduates finish up the degree with a 4.0 GPA when it comes to being a teacher.

    When I look for new teachers I look to see if they are just a well rounded person. When I notice a near perfect GPA it is obvious that all they did was study in college.

    A teacher cannot be a great teacher if they themselves went through a difficult time of not comprehending something.

    A near perfect student is not always the best teacher. But I can guarantee you that there are graduates with lower GPAs getting the job over your daughter.

  25. My girlfriend and I graduated in December of 2009 in the fields of Biology and Engineering and have applied for hundreds of jobs. The only response (if a response is even given) is that we are not qualified or that we have not been selected with no further explaination. Between the two of us there has only been one phone interview. Many of the jobs that I have applied for have been llisted for as long as a year or reposted at a later date. I seriously doubt that 44% of employers intend to hire recent college graduates.

  26. without rest, job searching can feel like a job itself. I gave up, to find myself looking again, to give up. I hope things start looking up, for everyones sake.

  27. Responding to Brysten:

    It is increasingly dismaying to find young people believe, apprently quite fervently, that additional degrees will cinch the hiring process or at least jump-start their career earnings.

    That has not been true for a long, long time. As an employer of 160 professionals and journeymen laborers in the chemical manufacturing field it is very troubling to sit in front of a double degree and sometimes a PhD of say 26 years old without a single day of actual employment behind them. What on earth do they expect to happen?

    If you were in my shoes being asked for salaries exceeding $40,000 for an untired commodity, I can only shake my head and wonder how this happens over and again in America. Why are these folks not attempting a year or two of work experience or even voluntering before sinking so much into university education head long? By any estimate, some poor fool has spent at least $150,000 on a protracted education perhaps forestalling real earnings for a decade in pursuit of what?

    If you understand the present value of money then you can see how this is a misguided sense of future earning potential at the very least. I would suggest to any young person, save the medical field per se, to give it a breather between degrees of a say a year or two at least. You might be surprised how your goals and expectations evolve more realistically.

  28. I am about to graduate in a week and have been dealing with this issue on a daily basis with friends and other graduates. I get real tired of people saying that jobs do not exist. The problem is that jobs do not exist for people with average qualifications. Employers do not have the luxury of highering mediocre employees in this time. The people that are getting job offers are the best of the best available.

    So for the graduates that spent 4 or 5 years in college and slacked off( party too much), they will suffer the most.

    I accepted my very first job offer from my first interview back in the Fall for reasons more than a resume or GPA. While they were both better than most, I was hired because of my social skills, ability to actually manage others, and ability to learn quick.

    My advice for college grads is to apply for jobs that you can stand out from the rest. Have a presence in an interview and do not shy away when the questions start rolling. Confidence is key!!!!

  29. having grown up overseas I realise how messed up this workforce is.
    It’s all about work, work work. There is no minimum amount of vacation. I will not look back on my life thinking ” I was a great employee”. My advice is to spend a few years traveling around the world (as I did) and then worry about the job in the rat race….
    Even with spending my money on travel in my 20′s I still have a good standard of living and can afford two mortgages in this economy.

  30. It’s not what you know it’s who you know.
    Good Luck to the class of 2010 …. now get out there and work .. because i really need my social security.

  31. One of the great American myths…graduate from college big job. Articles like this perpetuate the myth. The real news would be what percentage of college graduates land college level type jobs. These articles never answer that question and instead discuss how many companies are hiring…which is totally uninformative and totally irrelevant.

  32. I agree with you totally. My daughter also graduated last May with a degree in Elementary Ed. and is working as a Teacher Asst. She had a GPA of 3.9 and certified in 2 states. She has also filled out many applications with no luck. I work in the school system and I can tell you that this is not going to get any better for awhile. The government is cutting so much of the budget for education that schools across the country are not hiring.

  33. I graduated in 2007 with a BSEE in Electrical Engineering. I had an intership for the entire last year I was in school. After I graduated it took me 3 months and 200 or so applications to find a job, but I did. In order to make it you need an education in a needed discipline. When I graduated there were 400 letters arts and sciences majors, 300 business majors, 30 nursing majors, and 12 engineering students. If you want a job, pick a major that people have a need for. You also have to be willing to move, and you can’t be too picky about that first job, you need to get your foot in the door. Good luck.

  34. Why wait. Go to Italy now or China or Brazil. Companies and other employers are looking for people to teach English. You can do that – part-time and still have a leisurely life in another country. It won’t hurt to check it out.

  35. Fresh college grads will definately have a problem getting jobs if they have no experience . You can party your summers away and expect to land a great job after graduating . When I was in school i found that the people who really chased internships for the most part found them . yes the economy sucks now but if you did the due dilligence in the past it will pay of now.

    My company runs a leadership development program that I help recruit for , that exclusively hires fresh grads . The ideal candiadate has at least one job relevant internship some of this unpaid . The rejection rate for offers on this $50K-$60K jobs was 50% . There are jobs out there but they are going to the best of the best.

  36. Thomas Calandra, you’re a “three time college graduate” but you still have terrible grammar and spelling. What college(s) did you go to???

  37. let me tell you guys something. i own a company and make aaround 40k a month and thats without profit of sales. the people i hire to work for me are 40 year old 15 up to 20 years vets in sales and are people who have traveled and not spent all their childhood reading books you need to explore. travell

  38. What about all the 50-something people like my husband who was laid off from his job 16 months ago and still has not found a job? He has a BS in Computer Science and was laid off near as we can tell mainly because of his age. (All those laid off from the IT department were over age 45 and had worked at the company for at least 10 years.) No one wants to hire older workers who need work just as badly as younger workers., And my husband is willing to work for half what he was making. Age discrimination is real. All you young people getting jobs, don’t bother to love your company because it will never love you back. You can work there for 12 years like my husband did and wind up thrown out like yesterday’s garbage when you get over a certain age.

  39. Mary Ann,

    I’m sorry that you have subscribed to such skewed logic as to believe that a student with an A average has done nothing but study in college.

    My son will graduate in December with a double major (English and History) and a Minor (Honor Studies) and he has done it in three and a half years. He has been on the Dean’s List the entire time yet he has volunteered with AWARE, served one year as President of the Texas State Terry Scholars and two years as VP, written for the university newspaper, served as the student advisor for the university’s “Common Experience”, written and played songs in local music venues, studied in Oxford, camped, floated the river with friends, house sat for professors, worked part-time on campus, and the list goes on.

    I hope that most prospective employers don’t judge their applicants by your standards!

  40. To Brysten AND Kim Kristoff–

    In ten days I will be a graduate of Plymouth State University in NH. I have spent four years participating in various realms of the collegiate experience: academics, student activities, residential life, admissions, and various other odd jobs. I will be graduating with a BA and other coursework in electives that interested me. No minor.

    While the above article may be helpful as a study in statistics and percentages that offer very little real insight into the issue, it does not say what everyone reading it wants to hear: how to get a job in this market. I am not graduating with a BA, multiple minors, and MBA, however, I have spent the last 4 months seeking out job opportunities, going to interviews, and just three days ago I accepted the offer for my first full-time, professional career.

    I did not achieve this because of multiple degrees or taking time off for life experience, but by acknowledging that I am a commodity on the market and must package myself in the best possible way. Integrating life experience into ones college career is an important part of having a holistic higher education experience. Holding jobs, participating in student activities, and being a recognizable part of the campus/town community is what provides you with the materials necessary to package yourself as that desired commodity—that, and of course, possessing the skills to differentiate “less” and “fewer” in the English language.

    If I could urge students to do two things it would be these: get involved and take as many English reading and writing courses as are available to you. Employers value individuals with the ability to make connections and positive impressions on those they connect with; in order for the employer to value those assets, you must be able to convey to them why they should. If you involve yourself in your community and possess the ability to craft the spoken and written word, you will find yourself graduating on a Saturday and starting your first day of work just a few Mondays later.

    Brysten, at this point, I would encourage you to participate in community service and town governance. Become a part of what surrounds you and make connections. With time, no doubt someone will ask you, “what do you do for a living”, and in that moment you may be speaking with your future employer or in the very least a connection to your first real career.

    Kim, I have never found myself in the tedious position of sifting through hundreds of resumes then sitting through dozens of interviews, but I ask that you review the points I’ve made and consider them the next time you have someone sitting in front of you. Sometimes we get different places via different routes, but the outcome is comparable. I value all of the work, experience, and learning I have acquired from being in college, albeit only four years, as much as people I know value their out of work experience.

    Best of luck to all those about to graduate. I hope you have spent time these past few months preparing for the next chapter of your life. For those of you that have already graduated and continue to seek employment, continue to make connections; they will serve you well.

    All the best,
    SIW

  41. I graduated in 2002 with my BS in Civil Engineering, and I went back to start my Masters for the 2003 school year because I couldn’t find a full time job. After finishing my first year of studing my masters, I decided to quit…so I never finished my masters back in 2003. After 5 months of being out of college (after having quit my masters) I found a job working as a lab technician studying soils for construction projects…it didn’t pay very well, it was $12.70 an hour, and I was only working about 25 hours a week…and it had no benefits. I worked there for about 5 months until I was laid off because winter came and there was no more construction going on to keep me busy for 25 hours a week. So I was sitting in mom and dads house for about a month and a half after I got laid off…I applied to about 10 more jobs, and luckily landed one of them. I been working for the same company now for 6 and a half years.

    My only advise it just keep working at it you all, it is not easy, and I don’t expect it to get an easoer for another 10 years. It was not easy back in 2002 and 2003 either, I know many people who just could not find work, and these same articles about new college grads can’t find work always resurfaces every year.

    But remember this, good things will come to those who aspire to do good work.

  42. Pissing and moaning about not having a job isn’t going to get you one any quicker. Get out and apply. Also, don’t complain about not being able to find a job in the field you graduated in. Maybe if you had applied yourself more in college rather than picking hte easiest major you can find, maybe you would have a job.

  43. Hi,
    I read your post and feel your frustration! All my life, the idea of an education and getting hired by a company I could work for for 40 years to retire comfortable is all I knew. No one prepared us for what has happened and unfortunatley things are not turning around. I am so thankful I discovered netwrok marketing, have you ever looked into this type of business? I am reading a book by Robert Kyosaki called “The Business of the 21st Century”, I highly recommend it.

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    I am always hoping to run into educated people who want to make a change and take control of their financial future. I hope you give it some thought, my contact information is also on my website.
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  44. this is by far more intelligently written than Careerbuilder’s article. It seems so “recycled”. You have given us three main points and I am encouraged by this. In fact, I will use Skype and other services more to promote my tutoring business.

    Thanks!

  45. Degrees have become a joke in the last 15 years. I work for a hospitality company that has over 200 employees. 50% make over $25,000 a year, 40 % make over $30,000 a year, and the remaining 10% make over $60,000. Many of the waitstaff make between $30,000-$40,000 a year. Of the 200 employees which include hotel attendannts to General Manager, only two have a bachelor’s degree. I personnally make over $80,000 a year and have no college experience. This said, send your kids to a tech or specialized school and have them study for a specific job. The experience they will garner at this type of school will be better received when job searching than having a degree in hand. Or better yet, get a job in the hospitality business and work your way up as there are numerous avenues for one to take in this business.

  46. I graduated ’5′ years back with great honor 3.95/4.0 GPA and I got three BS degree in Math’s, Biochemistry, and E. Engineering. I’m still looking for job .you don’t have no idea about this jobs market out there it’s f—ked up. you got to have a good network otherwise forget about it. I’m “minority” too. Pray for the next may be another (4/5) years to come. Good luck to new Graduate student welcome to reality show…!

  47. Um,,,,My dads dead! and what if other peoples dads are barely making it on Pensions and social Security themselves????

  48. Unlucky daughter got herself stuck in a career field that is busting at the seams with an overload of those qualified to teach at the elementary school and special needs level.

    Father didn’t mention whether or not unlucky daughter has advanced degrees or not, as a Bachelor’s as a stand-alone degree won’t cut it in most big-dollar career fields today. Even with a Masters’ theres more with degrees who want to be teachers than available positions.

    Recommendation is that unlucky daiughter get smart and seek to use her talents in a career that isn’t so crowded out.

    Then too, she could be winning interviews and simply, “blowing it,” by showing a lack of enthusasim, but my money bet is on she asks about the pay and benefits which is a no-no until the interviewer brings up the topic.

    There’s always openings for teachers who has a basis of foreign languages such as French or Spanish and willing to work for the U.S. as teacher overseas in one of the AID programs.

    Then, too, just because one graduated from college and was awarded a degree in such and such a field may not necessarily mean that they were a top-notch, top-grade student. Run-of-the-mill ‘C’ students’ from “party schools” usually always are at the bottom of the barrel for jobs.

  49. replying to all people who said they have a bachelors degree and can’t find a job or people who are wondering why :
    the reason is that bachelors became a very uncompetetive degree and the market place is alot more comptetive now and need more experienced people thus conclusion is go get your masters and P.H.Ds or otherwise you will be unemployed or working for a wage that anybody with normal working experience can get.

  50. Simple solution to all above problems, Join the Service, get a a good skill, college, and management. I wonder what Career Builder stats say about Prior Service people getting jobs, My guess its pretty High since I myself help Vets get Jobs and it honestly is too easy, these folks know what hard work is and how to do a job right and are always looking for advancement and heres a shocker THEY SHOW UP ON TIME OR EARLY.. I know a concept lost on most people.

  51. Sometimes you got to do what you got tlo do to survive, even if it means giving up what you love most and MOVE to where the jobs ARE!

  52. Whoa! Somebody with a 4.0 can’t be hired as a teacher b/c they did nothing but study? How about somebody with a 4.0 must be very bright and I want a bright teacher teaching to my children. While I would expect that a recent graduate would have a well-rounded resume, it seems completely silly to rule someone out b/c of an assumption that one studied too much. It is possible for someone to graduate with a 4.0, leadership experiences, part time job experiences working with children, perhaps even an internship, and good recommendations. This is the person that I would like to be my child’s teacher.

  53. College degrees are over rated; except engineering and medical degrees and even within these some won’t land you a dream job. What you need is good work ethic, ability to learn, improvise, and adapt. Higher Education might teach you those things but it’s not guaranteed. If you can’t do that after graduating you won’t do too well in your new job. Remember, you don’t have to go to college to gain those attributes. I don’t have a Bachelors degree yet but I make close to six figures.

    I know the IT field and the only CS degrees out there for beginners that are worth the cost are ones that focus in Software engineering and then they go into that line of work (still starting at entry level). System Administration, Network Administration, and Information Security are all learned through experience (start at the bottom) and gaining the proper certs. A CS degree will only teach you the basics of TCP/IP, OS, networking, IS, and information systems management.

    One key I’ve noticed amongst those that are succesful in their job is that they picked something they enjoy, planned out a strategy to attain it, and went after it. If you’re truly passionate about your career choice you’ll accept anything in its scope and succeed far faster than you expected.

  54. Guess I chose a good major from the sounds of it. I’ll graduate next month with a bachelor’s degree in chemical engineering. I’ve had a job lined up since September for one of the largest companies in the world, making $65K a year. My grades aren’t spectacular, but I worked a lot of internships with different companies and gained a lot of experience. That’s what companies want most, and it paid off for me.

    Some of you are posting that you had 3.95 or 4.0 GPAs but can’t get a job. News flash: a lot companies don’t care what your GPA was. My GPA is a 3.1 right now. Some companies will not hire you if your GPA is too high. Yes, you read that right. I know of two companies in my field that will not hire you if your GPA is too high. One said they will only hire graduates with a GPA between 2.9 and 3.8, nothing hire. It’s a red flag to them.

  55. Again, even if a person has a dozen degrees, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they are the best fit for a business, or a corporation or a particular organization. Most of the “big guns” look to hire well-rounded individuals rather than just “academic eggheads with a degree.” And, sometimes you’ll face being “over-qualified” for the particular job that is offered.

    Sometimes you’ll face-off with an interviewer who has authoeity to hire “on the spot” and you’re thinking you’ve got it sewed-up and it’s in the bag until you find out later that they turned you down for the job.

    Well could it be the person feels you as a threat to their status-quo position with the firm.

    Or, maybe they just have an old prejudice against the school you graduated from…

    It happens, and unfortunately you can’t prove such discrimation, or prove such as age-discrimniation.

  56. Dan- You are kidding, right? It’s too easy. I’ll stop.

    This is my two cents as a 2008 graduate (BA, Political Science, Spanish, honors, etc)- Don’t go to college until you have a game plan. If you don’t know what you want to do and choose a random major because it sort of interests you, you will end up as an office assistant or retail sales associate. I bounced around with career ideas, but graduated without any real idea of what was out there. Man, am I paying for it now.

  57. First, I want to say to the person that said “these athletes compete at such an elite level…” SO WHAT!? It is a game. That is it. There is absolutely no reason why someone who plays a game for a living should horde the amount of money that they do. I couldn’t care less if I can’t catch a ball as good as they can, it’s a game.

    Second, why do people put so much credibility when it comes to formal education? I think because so many people do not want to admit themselves that they wasted large amounts of time and money.

    To the Dr, so what if college classes are hard? They really aren’t realistic. The material taught following Liberal Arts, teaching some humanities, sciences, and so forth, has been an education model for hundreds of years. Why don’t these institutions change their values/philosophies with accordance to society? You are another testimony to how pointless these degrees are. You ended up teaching the material! Not all college degrees are bad, but most of them there is no real market for.

    I do not have a college degree. I have computer certifications, and landed my second job after a year or so working desktop support. I currently work in an Enterprise IT environment and I believe I have found my second home. I plan to stick with this company for a very long time. Experience goes much further than education ever will. The money is great.

    Top that off, with the fact that tuition is rising faster than GDP. Sounds to me these schools have their financial interests in mind, not the placement of their students in the work force. One must WORK, to be able to get these high paying jobs.

    There seriously has to be a reform to these educational institutions on what material they teach their students. To me, it seems it is all a ploy to get schools and banks richer at the expense of the students.

    If you are thinking about going to college, don’t. Start studying a trade, or study for a certification in a field that interests you. Certifications are the exact opposite of Liberal Arts, it is specific training, not general. And these morons don’t realize that knowledge is compartmentalized, it is all under the same web.

  58. All you supposed “smart” adults need to quite your bitching lower your standards and go get a job. Just because you have a college education doesn’t mean that you will get a good paying job!

  59. I graduated in dec 2009 with a degree in nursing and I have been unable to find work. I have applied to over 100 hospitals in california. Hospitals are not hiring new grads. luckily I have an interview for a county job. Hopefully that go’s well.

  60. Maybe you should have gotten a real degree like nursing. I applied for a job at 11:45, received a call to interview at 12:15. When I was driving home from my 1st interview they called me to schedule a 2nd, and I was hired halfway through that interview. Started at 45k/yr. Of course it takes a special kind of person to both wipe someone’s butt and kiss it.

  61. Yeah,l we tell our kids study hard go to good schools, get a degree – and then what ?? Go into further debt going to grad school because you can’t pay your undergrad school loans?

  62. How dare you critize someone who graduated college with a 4.0! You have no idea if this student is a well rounded person who participates in other activities or not. I myself will graduate this month with a bachelor’s degree in education with a 3.9 GPA. I am in community organizations, participate in church activities, on recreational sports teams, and not to mention, I planned a wedding during my junior year! Try not to be so judgmental of people just because they are smart.

  63. I agree. I think that a lot of times, recent graduates just give up on the job search too soon, not being used to so much work, and unable to deal with so much rejection. I graduated last year in Elementary Education. I relocated from Utah to Washington DC before I had a job. I drove and hand-delivered resumes to 130 schools in the Northern Virginia area. The face time made a big difference. I had 10 interviews come out of it, and one job offer. I searched for 3 months straight, and finally got the job a week before school started. I wasn’t chipper and happy the whole way through, mind you. I had to constantly pray and use positive thinking to drive away the feelings of inadequacy and rejection. Believe in yourself, keep working hard, and pray. You’re worth it, and you can do hard things!

  64. For all you colllege kids that got Obama elected—see what change has done for you. no jobs, no money, college debt. peace

  65. My son graduated Cume Laude in BioChemical Engineering at CU-Boulder in May 2009. There were no real job offers for graduates last year and the University cut him off the career web site after graduation. The staff at CU-Boulder tell me they are helping but he hasn’t heard from them since he graduated. I think the class of 2009 is the lost class. Shame on CU.

    When I graduated in 1982 from the University of Illinois (Champaign-Urbana) tracked me down for job offers after graduation. The unemployement rate was higher in 1982.

    What do the employees at CU who are responsible for helping students find jobs base their success on? I think they dropped the ball on the class of 2009.

    This is written by a parents who saved and paid all the tuition and high cost of living in Boulder without the help of loans and government hand outs.

    We did our job. How about a little help for the class of 2009 CU?

  66. I’m in Houston, one of the larger cities where business is doing comparatively well from the rest of the country, and I’m still unemployed after finishing my doctorate degree in 2009. It has been a full year now with no real job, I’ve only been doing part-time gigs in unrelated fields to make it by (stuff like personal training).

    I never get responses from potential employers either and none of my previous employers know anyone who’s really hiring. It sucks b/c I’m either slammed for either being too inexperienced to get graduate-level jobs or over educated for lower level positions.

    It’s worrisome to think that we’ll soon have an entire new batch of recent graduates to add to this dismal job market.

  67. i love your answer James – hilarious! Today’s twenty-somethings don’t wna tot work like we did – I was on my own at 18 with a modeling contract in a big city – doing it for myself – my parents did not pay for a college education. There was a qulaity of life for me becuase I was willing to work hard for the things I wanted, I incured little to no debt, and paid my bills on time. I didn’t whine about my I-Pod and Girls Gone Wild videos! These kids are LOST!!!! They will never marry or own homes from what I can see and they slack, slack, slack……..

  68. The market wouldn’t be flooded if anyone had a valuable degree. If you don’t have a degree in science or math you’re useless to the economy and society. We don’t need any more psych or history majors. Why do you deserve a job when you took the easy way out and half-assed it through school. A math degree from the worst college is twice as good as an english degree from the best college!

  69. I am a clothing designer and received my Bachelor’s in Fine Arts in March 2008. I was nominated for best portfolio in my class and no job offer. I moved to NYC and gotten my first job as a handbag designer as a paid internship but they had to let me go because I asked too many questions since they hired me as an intern. I was let go and then the economy crashed. I was still getting interviews but no job. So I opened my own business September 2008 and slowly it is progressing since I don’t have that much money. I get money from the government since I am hearing impaired, I get help from parents and I do babysitting on the side to get pocket money and for my business.

    I know more and more graduates will be competing with the graduates from a couple of years ago. So what I have been doing to keep my skills fresh and my resume looking sparkly is to do free work that makes my resume look like I have more experience and I do. I improve myself always. Free work can be your ticket to that job and competing with the recent graduates with fresh skills. Employers will want to hire someone who is ready and fresh..not someone who is rusty. So I recommend ALWAYS work on your skills and do free work.

    I pray that something will open up for me…any kind of job that I bring my business to the next level and make a difference in this world and help others.

  70. I learned to drink beer in college. Lots and lots of cheap beer. I have plenty of experience and I am good at it.
    Do you think I can get a paying job? NAH!

  71. after graduating near the top of my class from a top-tier law school it took me three years of unemployment, hundreds of rejection letters, thousands of hours of free labor and another degree before I could get close to doing what I want to do. So, what does that mean? Hiring is up? Maybe, but not for anything you or any real graduate wants to do. Advice to new graduates? You should already have a job, if you don’t just move back in with the rents, start looking and go back to school if the student loans are about to eat you alive. Basically, us younger folk are stuck with no experience which means no job which means big problems and no real end to the Gen Y depression

  72. I see your point but there are plenty of kids who want to work and create the lives that they want. I been applying every single day and my job is to work and to have my own apartment. I managed to survive in the big city on my own since I grew up in a small town in Idaho and had to overcome many challenges that some kids won’t go through. The job market is really bad right now and there are plenty of kids who are struggling so bad right now and there are some kids who don’t want to work and I agree I do see that…but our society right now is struggling.

  73. Good luck with your interview Olive! My son parked cars in L.A. until he found a temp job through a temp agency as a process engineer. He doesn’t have benefits or time off, but he is getting experience in a like field. The yound people who graduated recently are doing what they need to do in very tough times.

  74. John- Wow I am inspired by you! It took you three years? So far it is taking me two years of free work and keeping my skills fresh. I have my own business so it is going slowly since I don’t have much money. I am looking for any kind of job to help me support my business.
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  75. Join the US Air Force…over 150 different career fields..you don’t get laid off, AWESOME benefits, continue your education…and lastly, be happy! I have been in for12 years and I hope to stay as long as they’ll keep me!

  76. You know what the problem i see is no one wants to work. What built this great country of ours up is hard work and labor. Kids go to college and get a worthless degree (fashion design, are you kidding me?) and think i can get out and get a job. Wake up. If you go to school, make it worth while, dont piss it away. Get a degree in something that makes sense, and be prepared to face the reality of that there may not be much opportunity in the field you choose to get your degree. I blame colleges for not giving better advice on degrees, instead, they just take your money and say Oh, sure, you can go far with that career choice. If your goping to go to college, make your degree choice a plausible one, not an idiotic one.

  77. I graduated during the last recession and it took me many years to get my feet underneath me in the workplace. I had to start off taking a series of part-time jobs and relying on money from family (like my older sister who had the good sense to major in engineering). I was out of school two years before I got my first full-time job, and it was a low-paying job that didn’t even require a college degree. But I was grateful for it, did my best to meet and then exceed expectations, then leveraged it into a better job a year later.

    After another year and doing some very meaningful volunteer work, I decided to go back to get an MA in a new career path. Half way through my last year of the program I realized I didn’t really want to do that work, but was so close to finishing I stuck it out and got the degree. Years later that paid off because I was able to get a couple of related jobs because of that degree.

    Now I own my own business, and it is doing quite well even in this recession. It took me a long time to achieve a true “career” work opportunity, and even now it is only possible because of everything I learned while doing the best job I could for others, in all those different types of jobs, all those years. I was always good at convincing a hiring manager to take a chance on me, even if I’d never done X before. I was always confident, well-informed about their business, and enthusiastic about wanting to make a difference in their company’s success… and said so, then asked for the job.

    Now as someone who hires, I’m pretty much looking for someone like me. I generally warn against extrapolating too much on personal experience, since any experience could be the exception to the rule. But I think there is something to be learned from my experience for a lot of people. Good luck. (And just hired a recent grad yesterday at $30/hr, though only part-time until he proves to me he can do the work as well as I’ve trained my clients to expect it to be done, perfectly.)

  78. In response to Eric:

    “The market wouldn’t be flooded if anyone had a valuable degree. If you don’t have a degree in science or math you’re useless to the economy and society. We don’t need any more psych or history majors. Why do you deserve a job when you took the easy way out and half-assed it through school. A math degree from the worst college is twice as good as an english degree from the best college”

    I would venture to say huge generalizations on the easiness of degrees that you show no profiency in would be a real issue of “social uselessness”, wouldn’t it? We should be encouraging math and science degrees, but a math degree from the “worst college” is not necessarily better than an English degree from Stanford nor do people with history like the skills to contribute to society. But then again, when addressing trolls about social ulity, one must go forward with a certain degree of irony.

    The funny thing about these stories is that are all anecdotal.

  79. I was just reading the posts and can relate to a lot of it. I came of age where one had to get some post-secondary education or training if he/she wanted a job which paid a livable income.

    I got my degree 20 years ago in Criminal Justice, saw that getting into law enforcement was very competitive and other jobs in that field were too dead-end, like the one I ended up doing as a probation officer. There was a recession underway when I graduated, and I saw ups and downs in the job market depending on the economic climate since, and I have also upgraded my credentials since in wireless communications, with varying degrees of success in landing a job. Personal experiences such as getting married and relocating have interrupted some career progress I’ll add, which put me in a position of looking for a job again afterwards.

    I decided to pursue business plans with the life experience which tells me not to depend on my credentials along with companies or the government in terms of suiting my employment needs, and I haven’t looked back since. Those who get into a good career after college and stick with that career and progress in a manner we are told to expect are in a minority, and being enterprising gives one more control of his/her career path than depending on factors such as a good economy.

  80. To Tsgt Massey
    I live next to the Air Force Academy and I can say that not everyone is as happy with joining the air Force as you are. I’m happy for you, but the opportunities today are not nearly as good as they were when you joined. Best of luck!

  81. I live how you have a pic of a white male student looking sad …and a worthless black woman on the right with the title of ” what we r really looking for” god….

  82. I’m graduating saturday and I am not worried about finding a job because once i take the civil service exam i can apply to the place that i want to…plus i did my internship there and i know majority of the high ranking people…i’m going to stay positive until then and everyone else should also…if not then you should look at what you are doing and change it…i guess but oh well …do you!!

  83. The biggest problem I see is that everybody shops at large corporately owned stores. This leads to money not staying local and instead going to the cities and more specifically the upper management of these corporations. Which leads to low wages and fewer local businesses.

    If people stop shopping at Wal-Mart, Target, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. we can get back to local economies thriving. Unless you would want to work for these companies, you shouldn’t buy from them. Think about it, if all your money is going here and most others money too, then this is where the jobs will be.

    Spread your money out and don’t concentrate it in one place.

  84. My job includes hiring and firing in the private sector-my wife is a teacher. First, with the cut backs in most of the rust bucket states (PA, OH, MI, IL, & WI) the teacher unions (at least not in MI) will not allow new hires until all the “old hires” are called back. If your daughter has her reading specialist certification or special ed certification, those positions are still in some demand most everywhere.
    As a prospective employer in the private sector, the biggest challenge I see from new grads is the attitude of entitlement. Encourage her to be willing to take the inter-city position, the multi-age position, the extra-curricular committments, the above and beyond attitude that will separate her from the masses. I advised a friend’s son recently (who had a job based on my recommendation and completely blew it) that the guy or gal hiring needs to know that the person wanting the job, really wants that job. If it’s flipping hamburgers, the attitude needs to be that she can learn from flipping burgers and will strive to be the best burger flipper ever. Same for teaching. That she can lern from her peers, can bring new ideas to her peers through implimentation and application, and that she has a passion for teaching in the “ABC” school district because………and that she’ll be the best hire the principle, HR person, ever made!!! Best of luck, hope my 4 kids will take the same approach…….

  85. Grads with GPAs of >3.9 in the Arts and Social Sciences are a dime a dozen. Show me a straight 4.0 Elem. Ed major with a ton of leadership experience and volunteering and I’ll show you six others, all of different minority status.

    Grab a grad with an Engineering/Hard Science degree (and a decent GPA) from a well-known school and 9 times out of 10, they have a job before their first loan payment is due.

    [x] Brag: $65k/yr, graduating in a 2 weeks, engineer

  86. I’d like to ask you what kind of doctoral you earned for Pheonex? I’m thinking about finishing my 4 years there.

  87. “I live how you have a pic of a white male student looking sad …and a worthless black woman on the right with the title of ” what we r really looking for” god….”

    Well, Robert, this “worthless black woman” won’t be hiring you.

  88. Jessica,

    What year did you graduate? How much did you pay for your experience? I think that is what the problem is. If the young people who are graduating in 2009 and 2010 could get the experience they would. Wow, are you in touch with what graduates experience today?

  89. Hi Dan…who cares if you are a minority. SO am I and a female at that but I don’t expect people to give me a job because I am a minority and female. I have a molecular biology degree with a minor in chemistry and I have had trouble at times finding a job but in general I have worked for some great companies, in great positions. Good luck with your job search!

  90. Look, the reality of the situation is simple. Companies WILL hire college graduates. They are qualified and cheap. However, sticking it out won’t get you that nice salary further down the road. You will just become a statistic in the next recessionary layoff. Then when you reapply, you will be hired again at the bottom. It’s the way things are these days. Anyone disagree?

  91. I work for the 2nd largest Railroad, doing track repair I have no degree and make about 65k a year with overtime. plus benefits. I so love not having to sit in a cubicle and listen to all that office drama! There are jobs out there you just have to be willing to get dirty and break a sweat. There are not enough jobs out there for everyone to make 80k yr. sitting at a desk.

  92. The Air Force, huh… I am an Air Force vet and got out to raise my child and get a college degree but guess who won’t let me rejoin. The Air Force is not the way to go anymore. Even someone who served once on active duty and then in the reserves won’t even be looked at because of their prior service. Experience and dedication gest you no where in the military. Instead they would rather invest money in new recruits who may or may not make it through basic training. Please, just don’t make people think the Air Force will end all of their unemployment troubles.

  93. I’m a student (Junior) who’s participating in a program called RLS Collegiate; it combines academia, industry and business together to help me better manage my career post graduation. I’ve been in the program about a year & a 1/2 and I feel more prepared for what awaits me.

  94. Dear Undergrad, Sounds like you’re well on your way. I’m not sure if aiding and abetting, or just enabling, is the best term.. or you could be kidding, if so, you’re funny.. Don’t forget though, with fewer jobs available, the reader of your resume will likely be asking how your year-plus break is going to benefit the firm..or, if you have another break planned anytime soon. Good luck, regardless. Don’t you just wonder how all of this could have happened – I mean, didn’t we all buy into to The HOPE?.. btw, the American WaterPolo Assoc should sue the administration for theft of logo.

  95. Army, Navy, Airforce, Marines, Coast Guard, National Guard and Reserve ( listed in no particular order) offer to those who qualify, GREAT CAREERS!

  96. that depends who you talk to , its very peaceful here, and safe, people very friendly, may i say people are moveing here, been here 3 years, farming fishing , take life a bit slower, who needs a rat race , as we say in uk, like city life, at learse you can sleep out here, there omly thing you dont have here to a point , its there ocean,

  97. I feel the frustration of recent graduates. I graduated last July. I was near an area of stagnant employment, so I moved to a place where I thought would be a fresh start. Yes, I had to move in with my parents, but I used this opportunity tp evaluate my career goals. I applied to almost 100 jobs when I first moved in. I only got one offer about a month later. It was a part time job and not intended for the college graduate. But it was a great experience for me, and led me to something greater. Recent graduates should take anything they can find and not hold out for something great right away. You may feel entitled to a high-paying desk job, but you need to be willing to do the grunt work to get there. So now I’m happy to say that, exactly one year after moving in with my parents, I am moving out on my own and into an awesome career opportunity.

  98. The American Dream is gone!!!! Why even go to college? This is why we will be falling behind the rest of the world. It’s better to do manual labor, like me…. $ 42.00 bucks an hour for construction. The fact is I make more than these grads and even some Doctors. So why the Fu@k go to school on this country with this in mind? It doesn’t do anything but put you in debt and perhaps the debt will benefit the economy while you work for 2 bucks over the min. wage standard. But meanwhile, you will be eating dollar menu at BK or MicD’s just to be able to pay your bills and make just enough to be rejected for State assistance when you really need it, even though they tax it out of your check!
    Meanwhile, the non-working low-life scum drives a better car than you ( Cadillac Escalade), doesn’t work a day in his life, but has better clothes than you, and he even has medical…… and you pay out the a$$ just for the bare minimun plan.
    I hate how this country only benefits the poor or the rich, and leaves the slack to be picked up by us hard working middle class americans.
    Freedom of speech ain’t worth sh!t!!!
    Let’s all move out of the USA and start our own economy w/out this way of thinking. We will call it Middle Class Americans United. Leave all these freeloaders and scummbags here to reproduce and sell each other drugs while they kill each other for nothing but paper and ink!

    What a sad day in my life when I have to witness the hard workers ( backbone of the economy ) Be treated less than a ghetto ass low life Jay-Z wannabe who doesn’t contribute a dollar to this country!

    Meanwhile they ride on a phat whip and have babies from a loser…… Dumb fu@king cum dumpsters, n!gger , sp!cks, wh!te tra$h, and anyone who live for free!!!!

    This means you!

  99. as for jobs , here in missouri, from want i no, live in there countryside, nice and peaceful, earn a bit less, have some animlas, live of there land, your be a lot happyer trust me i no god bless in people finding work, who needs city life, watching your back all time, ,

  100. This problem will not go away until we make it illegal for corporations to push OUR jobs overseas. The ones who do this the most should be boycotted the most.

  101. This article has some truth and some blatant lies (possibly career builder’s lies). Truth? People are hiring more than last year at this time. I have noticed it quite a bit over the past few months and it is picking up. What is the lie then? They aren’t hiring 2010 grads. Why would they hire a 2010 grad for 30k a year when they can hire a 2009 or even 2008 grad with more experience for the same price? I am a 2009 grad and I got lucky. I knew who to talk to and where, so guess what people…it’s all about connections. Sadly too, I can say a lot of things. I can say my company is going to hire 43% more and they will all be college grads!!!!! Will that actually happen? No, but when the company newspaper comes out the stock holders and board members will jump for joy because clearly we are doing better than others…we can hire college kids. But guess who we are going to hire, that 33 year old married person who will not leave us for another job and is greatful to have this one. It is expensive to train new employees, it really is…I’ve seen the price. For 2010 grads all I can say is keep your head up or else you’ll drown in all the BS.

  102. Not to be negative, but surely your daughter had to be aware of the intense competition for elementary education jobs? They’ve been difficult to find for years now, at least here in the northeast, even before the recession hit and positions were cut.

    Also, with education, I find that having straight A’s doesn’t necessarily make you the best candidate. You can understand educational theory all you want, but unless you have good grasp of the subject matter, classroom management skills, and interpersonal skills, you’ll never make it.

  103. Get jobs from unsuspecting people. Need a new roof you say? Sure, I’ll put one on for you, but I need $10,000 up front.

    Hey man, thanks for getting me that payment. I’ll be able to get materials, and I’ll start first thing next week.

    Next week, home owner is saying to himself. where did krooked kon go? i thought he said he be here today?

    krooked kon: enjoying life on the islands with a drink in hand.

  104. I have an undergrad in Engineering from my home country and I just graduated today with my MS. Info Sys. Its the economy thats been treating fresh grads badly and the employers too are not helping by asking for ridiculous long years of work experience.
    HR would write up requirements for a particular position that they might have no clue what its about then post the job. If you are confident enough to write your resume to fit that description and little more, you will definitely be called for an interview. If you so happen to be able to back it up, you’ll prolly get the job. I for one don’t want to start my career like that.

  105. Absoulutey riveting points Dave! We have gotten so conditioned into the JOB stability vs income stability. If you can’t find one, create one. There’s nothing wrong with working for someone else, IF they can give you ownership – therein lies the key. There is plenty of work out there, if you look in the right places for opportunities that are creating work, instead of looking for a job.

  106. I am a recent college graduate and I can say that there is something seriously wrong with our system. I should have graduated last year but because of budjet cuts the classes I needed to graduate were cut. I was then told to get into new classes but all of them were full. All the way to the dean of Fresno State, and he told me good luck next year. PLus my tuition went up 33%. Now i’ve went to school my entire life, am in debt 30,000 dollars because of school loans so I could get a degree. I did all this to get out get a shit job, work until I’m 65 just to get my Social Security taken away by then. If I’m lucky I’ll miss cancer and live to be 72. That gives me 8-10 golden years huh? This is bullshit this system doesn’t work for me, it works for the government. You have to pay to educate yourself, then work for them to keep the economy going that they run into the ground with their trillion dollar give aways. Should have just ditched college and went into banking. Then I could just spend tax payers money screw hardworking people out of their homes and get bailed out by the Gov.

  107. I have a BA in Psychology – so do 1000 other people in my graduating class – at the ONE University/College in Toronto. So that makes several thousand people graduating in our year alone with Psych degrees. When I first graduated, I couldn’t get a job. AT ALL. Good jobs said I didn’t have enough experience, min wage jobs said I was OVER qualified. It was so frustrating! Eventually I had to move back home and luckily got a job barely above minimum wage.

    THEN that business closed and I found myself at square one. No one would hire me because of the lack of experience, or because they saw I had a degree and knew I would leave if a better job came along. Now, I work in a call center making $23,000/yr. It sucks, I hate it but I am with ‘my people’. Meaning, about 90% of my colleagues are graduates from University in the last 5 years and we’re all working in a call centre. Comparing notes, we found that the biggest thing aside from the huge numbers of people competing (all with degrees), are the types of jobs available. Practically no one nowadays wants to hire full time – which means not only less pay but no benefits either.

    These type of articles are one sided because they don’t give numbers or stats. Which jobs are offered? Part-time, full-time…casual?

    I have a sister (and many friends) who are teachers and they can’t find permanent work because Retiring teachers go back and teach. Schoolboards like to pick people they know so they chose the so-called retired teachers to do long term positions instead of chosing one of the many teachers that have been substituting for years and can’t because there’s not enough jobs. The Ontario Teaching list has stopped adding people – which then means that the students graduating from teachers college won’t even get the opportunity to do substitution work for a few years from now – when the list is reopened.

    My friends who are teachers work about twice a week, some none at all, some more. It’s all based on a machine that dials randomly – whoever picks up first gets to go into the school for the day to substitute. So these teachers are making nothing and can’t break into their chosen field the way they want to. Several are working retail so they can pay rent.

    My dad was a boss for a large company for close to 30 years and he’s helped me with my resume and we’ve practiced doing interviews. He said I’m doing everything right, its just bad timing and lack of jobs. So until I can land a good one, I’m stuck – and we’re focussing on Stocks in order for me to make money to save up for a future.

    Oh and yeah, I talked to people I graduated from high school with and only a small handful have decent jobs. Several have a few degrees – one of which is a legal assistant, only making a couple dollars more than me an hour. The others – all but one got their jobs because they were hired by friends or family.

    Call me bitter but this article and most out there don’t paint an accurate picture. This recession is different than the previous one because now we’re fighting other people with degrees or multiple degrees for low wages. My dad talks about back in the day after graduating he got a GOOD job 1 WEEK after graduating and he didn’t even have an interview.

    The job I currently have (I Was told by my employer) had 500 people interviewed (not including the rejected resumes) and only 15 of us were hired. I’m bitter and I don’t believe the economy will be fixed for a couple years, and then maybe the job market will. Until then, the only option is to settle – unless you know someone.

  108. The entire college thing too me never made much sense under certain situations. People go for an undergraduate degree, which is fine. However, if you major in social science, humanities, criminal justice, political science, or any other major which historically leads nowhere; you would be better off not going to college IMO.

    Without a college degree, I was making 104K per year with only a certificate program from my local community college. Many high level managers where I work only have undergraduate degree’s in business or public administration. All the manager’s that have graduate degree’s usually don’t progress well because they lack the life experience because they spent most of their youth in school. And although the graduate program would make sense, many manager won’t hire someone with a higher education level than themselves. (Over Qualified, its the Sad Truth)

    We have people that attended universities such as Yale, Havard, and Stanford. Yet the CEO only has an undergraduate business degree from Devry. Education does equate to experience and person skills when you look at the overall picture. But a degree is awesome at opening up doors, but thats all they will do. After than, its your time to shine as an individual or employee.

  109. Did a college graduate actually read this article before they allowed it to be posted? $1 beers? Perhaps a lot of college students do live for cheap beer…but I’ve been facing the real world for months as I WORKED through my last semester at a small liberal arts university. And, no, there is no excitement about not having exams, only an overwhelming since of not accomplishing anything because I am unpacking things from my college apartment and placing them once again in my bedroom at my parents house in a town that has been in a recession since the 1970s when the local coal mines and steel mills closed. There are no jobs for me here, and all I can hope to do is apply for as many jobs as I might be able to find here, there, and everywhere. This whole “grown up thing” is not as all as the article described it…but rather depressing. The good news: Obama’s healthcare makes sure I have medical coverage until I find a job or turn 26. Hopefully 3 1/2 years from now I will have a job. And benefits.

  110. Eric—

    “The market wouldn’t be flooded if anyone had a valuable degree. If you don’t have a degree in science or math you’re useless to the economy and society. We don’t need any more psych or history majors. Why do you deserve a job when you took the easy way out and half-assed it through school. A math degree from the worst college is twice as good as an English degree from the best college!”

    I can only assume from this statement that you did not attend a 4-year college, nor have you ever stepped outside of your house for fear of having to face the reality that the very foundation you have built your opinions on are not only unfounded, but very easily negated.

    Let us first start with your authority. I am curious as to what your profession is that enables you to say with such certainty and precision that, “A math degree from the worst college is twice as good as an English degree from the best college!” Are you some type of higher education analyst, or perhaps an administrator at both Harvard AND Joe-Schmoe Community College? I ask this merely to insinuate that by making such a general and unfounded statement, you have not only shown support for a holistic education in both using the English language properly and critical thinking, but that you, the proponent of furthering an education in math, have no consideration for statistics and the truth they attempt to express.

    Next, let us for a moment discuss the notion that had we all chosen to major in math or science that the market would not be flooded–I assuming that by this point you have already guessed where I am going with this, but seeing as your value in the sciences supersedes your ability to think logically, I will continue: Will this not simply flood all science jobs? Granted, I am no business major (which evidently immediately makes my opinion of a higher value)however I believe the laws of supply and demand would suggest that if there is a greater supply of scientists, there will be no demand for them.

    Later in your ridiculous statement you assert that without a math or science degree you are not only of no use to the economy, but society! Leaving economics aside, because quite frankly I would be up all night if I tried to argue both, can you please remove yourself from you insipid bias and consider this: the gardener that grew the millions of long-stem roses that were sent all over the country for Valentine’s Day, the farmer that grew the lettuce you made your last salad with, the care-taker that shows up each morning at an elderly man’s home to help him shower and dress—none of these people required a BS in Math or Science to work their trade, however, each day they contribute vastly to our society. The artists, the magicians, the athletes, the legislatures are all full of use in our everyday life.

    My final point surrounds your questioning of whether or not someone deserves a job after taking the “easy way out”. Again, I will refer you to my initial authority question, and also leave you with this: no one deserves a job. No one is entitled to a career. It is something that must be earned and worked for. I would encourage you to stand before a person that graduated with a Bachelor of Arts, an advanced degree in Theology, and a Ph.D. from Boston University and try to tell them they don’t deserve a job because they took the easy way out. I just describe for you, by the way, Martin Luther King Jr. If you choose to respond to this, Eric, I would ask that you start by telling me how MLK did not value society.

    Warm Regards,
    IMc

  111. For Joel: I recently graduated with a degree in Human Resources and can’t even find a job in that field. This field is like y’all gotta know the “in crowd” to be able to get into any of the positions! I didn’t know this until I finish my degree and heard a lot of people talking about it. Sheesh! I spent tons of money and now like Joel I will probably spend another 20k at a technical school and probably do better with that degree than a bachelor’s degree. I HATE THIS ECONOMY!!!

  112. For recent college grades unable to find a job, I’d highly recommend going to teach English in a booming country like China, India, or Brazil. While you’re there, do networking with local businessmen. I myself am in a “third world” country going to grad school (for free!) and it is amazing how easy it is to meet and form relationships with high-level businesspeople. Even in poor countries, there are still businessmen driving nice Porsches and living the good life. Trust me, being a young American, these guys are very likely to be willing to sit down and have a coffee with you.

    If you tried to do the same thing in a typical American city, where you’re just one of thousands of unemployed college graduates, you can’t get face time with anyone.

    I have another young 22-yo American friend here that went to a no-name college, that, just by being an American and having good social skills, has a finance job that pays $60,000 a year (in a country with way lower cost of living).

    Even if you don’t want to move abroad to network / job-search, if you can’t find a professional job after college, I highly recommend moving abroad to teach English. It doesn’t have to be a third-world country, I have a friend doing it now in the middle of Lisbon, Portugal and it is absolutely gorgeous.

    I honestly think most college grads would be happier having a new fun experience abroad then spending a year working at Home Depot waiting for some crumbs.

    The job market isn’t gonna get significantly better for at least the next two years, so why not spend that time staying occupied and not having to worry about job-searching? Then, come home in a year or two with work experience, international skills, and a much healthier job market.

  113. To Bob in Detroit, it is no different for people who elected other presidents and have lost their jobs or cannot find a job. It is called capitalism guided by the “invisible hand”. It does not matter who is in office if a person wants to get a job it is up to the individual not what president is in office!!!!!

  114. Age discrimination exploded in the last 3 years. Firing most older workers is illegal but the Law is seldom enforced. A college graduate today has 11 times more chances to land a new job than a laid-off 50+ employee.

  115. I’m going to agree. I’ll be recieving my degree in culinary arts food service management in a week, and I know that a degree in culinary arts is a waste of the 64 grand that I paid for it. To say the least, it’s now WHAT you know, it’s WHO you know. Networking is a key player in this game. Get to know people, who they are, what they do. Get a business card. I did. Already had a great job offered to me after I graduate. Also, be really flexible. Having some BS degree from some high name school isn’t going to get you 100K a year. I don’t mean to wreck your dreams, but we are in a recession. You won’t be making that kind of cash until you hit it big.

    Thats advice to everyone, not just the message I’m replying too. Congrats to those graduating, best of luck in the job hunt. Wish you went to those networking events as school now, did ya?

  116. Your statment is not correct English grammar. You can’t end a sentence with a prepostion- “I have given almost up.” That is in correct. The correct way to say that is, “I have almost given up.” It is not big deal, I am justpointing out a minor problem with your comment- it doesn’t take away from your overall message.

  117. Hey Dan……. You got hired before the recession began and probably got that new job before the end of 2008 and maybe before the collapse of those infamous financial institutions, so your generic advice is of no help to recent grads whose industries are either still in survival or recovery. A better suggestion would be to obtain a graduate degree in a field that pays more and will be in high demand for at least the next ten years. Jobs are few and far between for experienced professionals with Master’s and PhD.s so save the conventional wisdom for a more appropriate time. Like when Federal Reserve interest rates are at normal levels, depreciation is no existent or when the debt of foreign governments doesn’t greatly effect the U.S. economy despite good macroeconomic data that suggests this recovery has legs!

  118. I disagree with this article. The job market is still bad. I graduated from college 2 years ago with a degree in information systems. My college didn’t teach me enough to even get an entry level job as a programmer. I have been working on learning the things I didn’t learn. They don’t accept your class work either. And having an internship is not enough in this economy. Most of the time all is what i see are jobs that require 2 or more years of work experience. The media and the government needs to quit hyping the value of a college degree as there are not enough jobs to meet all of the graduates. It is all a scam to make the universities, the banks, and the government richer. Plus, that corporate america and the government loves outsourcing jobs to india and china, our situation will only get worse. A college degree is no longer the way to the american dream, it puts you exactly where you are without one working at wal mart.

  119. This article does paint a rosy picture but that isn’t the case. I’ve found that not only do you need the degree, job experience, etc but luck. it’s as simple and complicated as that.i graduated in fall 2006 and was able to land a job shortly after i graduated. it was by luck i got hired and it could’ve gone the other way and i would’ve ended up like so many other college grads out there.

    I too find college to be way over rated. The amount of time and money you spend really means squat, maybe unless you’re going to be in the health profession. my advice is for high school juniors and seniors, if you are going to shell out the money to go to school, consider the major you are choosing wisely and see what opportunities are out there. like i said, most health professions are the safest bets at this point.

  120. Write a petition to the President to order companies to hire potential new grads with good training to help stimulate the economy. Happy new grads with mad training=increase in productivity=buying power.

    These days no new grads get hired unless you know someone in the company to get your foot in to the door.

  121. Write a petition to the President to order companies to hire potential new grads with good training to help stimulate the economy. Happy new grads with mad training=increase in productivity=buying power.

    These days no new grads get hired unless they know someone in the company to get your foot in to the door.

  122. Graduates can benefit from this information. This is also helpful to students who are still studying since they have advance information on employers’ expectation and about the job market. (However, things may have changed by then.)

    Many employers now want strategic fit between employees and the company’s culture. They also look for creativity and resourcefulness, among other things.

    Candidates who do their homework by researching the background of companies that invite them for job interviews and information about the job demonstrate their keenness and questioning minds.

    They make good worker materials.

  123. I am currently a student-athlete at the University of Louisiana graduating in a couple of days with a degree in business marketing. I have been working at Northwestern Mutual as a participant in their top ten nationally rank internship program and have nothing but good things to say about it. I will continue to work there this summer as I pursue my MBA and use my last year of eligibilty. I encourage all of my fellow 2010 graduates to take interest in this great company as well as an industry that many, including myself, may have over-looked. Its an excellent and available opportunity for those who qualify. Good luck!

  124. HAHA the general consensus from reading most the comments is that this article was a complete WASTE OF TIME…. They say theyre hiring more, but the majority of us know that they are not hiring. I hate reading this article how things are picking up when im not seeing it yet.

    I grew up with the mentality that if you study hard and work hard and hustle, you can make it. In HS, i was accepted to top colleges but couldnt afford them, so i went to a local state school, got my BS in FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING, in 2008, same month i graduated i was laid off from my cashier job at Mervyns. Took me 7 months to find a job and it was as a FURNITURE MOVER. Did that while also answered ads on craigslist for labor jobs that came up, like painting, moving etc. Im currently working as a teller part time. And it sucks, the job requires sales and its hard to sell when the bank you work at is 90% empty most the time.

    I live in LOS ANGELES, it sucks here. Hope its better else where.

  125. Also, how do you get experience if no one is willing to hire you? And you cant get an internship either..I know its important to stay positive, but its hard right now

  126. I am tired of hearing how bad the newly graduated college student is suffering. Hey, I graduated from the school of ‘hard knocks’! My ticket to the job market was a welding hood. When you are under the welding hood, you’re the boss. When you are under the welding hood, you control your own destiny. When you expand your welding knowledge and capabilities you get more job offers and stay on jobs longer.

    I have molded and adjusted my welding career along the way. I traded my welding hood for a welder supervisor position. I have traded the welding supervisor position for a construction supervisor position providing oversight of welding projects. No, I don’t put a tie on everyday. I had to get dirty to get where I am at today.

    The company I work for hires ‘cub’ engineers with little or no real world experience. Who do you think teaches those poor mistreated college graduates? This lowly high school graduate. Trust me when I say this, some of you need to grow up more before you enter the job market. And for some of you, your parents needed to cut off your allowance years ago because you have no concept of managing you life.

    My last bit of advice to you new college graduates is “SHUT UP and LISTEN”, get your hands dirty, do what your told and don’t try to over analyze everything, and above all do not, under any circumstances, wave that degree in front of a true craftsmen’s face because they will use it to wipe their butts with it.

    The first journeyman I worked for had a saying that still motivates me and holds true today, “Light Up or Light Out!, that is welder speak for all of you overly eduated. He also had some other motivating sayings that can’t be repeated in this type of forum………

    Good luck to you, your going to need it!

  127. Most of the jobs(85%)are in what’s called the unadvertised market. There was an article that Newsweek ran that indicated… “You need to know how to penetrate both.”

    In my opinion, institutions of higher learning don’t connect the theory they teach to the real time/real world needs of the economy and business. The people I talk to say they feel overly educated and under experienced and don’t know how to properly sell their diploma to the employer.

  128. To IMC,

    If he were to actually approach people with those degrees, and say that their degrees are not as valuable as a math/science degree, of course they are going to disagree! They do not want to admit the fact that they made a poor choice. They want to have some value for the hard work they did. Yes, every degree is hard work I do not doubt that, but is the information studied applicable to the job market? That is the question.

    Just because you can write well, and have authority over the English language, basically means you can write well crafted emails and letters. Whoopdidoo. Besides teaching (which I will get back at later) one with an English degree lets say would probably have to go to Grad school in order to get a job. My brother found out many years ago that an English degree does not go far, and he had to go to Law School.

    Teaching. Teachers are great, but if they are teaching a subject because it is the only job you can get with that degree, that degree/subject matter is pretty much worthless to our society. I also strongly agree with Philip. Who in their right mind would get a fabric designer degree? That is a complete waste of money and is going to piss your money away guaranteed.

    Why don’t people study something that can be applied to the job market in our current times? Is there a fear that if someone were to specialize in something, that they are going to make poor decisions in their life? Are we still clinging to the Renaissance Ideal that an educated man is educated in all fields? That kind of thinking is how old? Wasn’t their society a little different than ours? Why do people think knowledge is compartmentalized?

    Look around you and your standard of living. What manufactured that pencil or pen that you used to write? What manufactured the keyboard that you used to type that response? Your computer? A manufacturing plant, that used robotics and other computers. Did the people that implemented that have English, Philosophy, or History degrees?

    Why are these institutions not changing? Why do they cling onto old ideals? Knowledge is a web. If someone were to start specializing in something early, there will be abstract questions that they will be bound to ask. This would incorporate other disciplines to understand.

    Also, with the constraints that formal education imposes on students and their learning, there is no wonder to me as to why there is no desire to learn anymore.

    I came to all these realizations, and asked these questions early. I would skip a pointless philosophy course to read Guns, Germs, and Steel in the school library. That is one book that changed my whole outlook at our world. What have I missed out, because I was forced to read The Odyssey and Shakespeare?

    The best thing schools can do, is to feed our desire to learn, not inhibit it. They are inhibiting, forcing us to learn material that there really is no use to our current world, or in what we plan to do with our lives. We should be able to learn geared towards our interests.

  129. Welder,
    I like when idiots like you speak, but I don’t blame you, you have the education level of a 17 yr. old. How can you tell people to shut up when most people work their ass off to put themselves through school and get a degree. If anything you gave up. I can’t wait till someone with one of those degree’s you wipe your ass with creates a machine to weld so we can lay off dumbass grease monkeys like yourself. I never got an allowance or financial aid. I worked and put myself through college to get a degree and a masters. “when you’re under the welding hood you’re your own boss, you control your own destiny” NO, it sounds like your doing something that someone with a degree told you to do. You know the owner of that company that signs your checks. And if they lay you off and you sit at home with your welder hood do you still control your destiny? Your a jackass. And to the people you say that a Psych degree is an easy way out. They have know Idea what they are talking about. I graduated with a degree in Psychology and a Masters in Applied Behavior Analysis to work with children with disabilities/Autism for excess and deficit behavior. Trust me it’s far more complicated for you to wrap your little head around.

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  131. Apparently your education did nothing to improve your spelling, punctuation and grammar. Perhaps that is why you can’t get a job.

  132. There’s ZERO jobs out there, thanks to ODumba trying to Socialize our country..

    Now you’re going to REALLY going to need that HOPE & CHANGE garbage….

  133. I graduated in December 2009 from a state college. It is a good university, but not a great one. While I initially started out in the biology program, after 2 years I decided that medical school was not the right choice for me. So, judging by the standards of a lot of people on here, I took the “easy” way out and majored in Communication Studies. I wanted to do pharmaceutical or medical device sales. Those careers are very competitive, so a college degree is imperative, especially with the economy being in its’ current state.

    I ended up moving from the South, where I was raised and went to school, to New York City without a job; I signed a lease without having solid employment and didn’t know if I’d be able to pay my second month of rent (my parents were co-signers). Everybody thought that I was crazy (I even questioned my sanity!) It was exactly 3 weeks when I was offered my position in sales. I have numerous opportunities to travel with my job, have an excellent compensation plan, which consists of a base salary of $50,000 + $25,000 guaranteed quarterly bonus, + commission.

    There are times that I complain about my salary since living in the city is so expensive (especially in comparison to the area that I moved from). But, overall, I am blessed to have been given such a great opportunity as a new graduate. I work 9-6 everyday, weekends off unless I’m traveling, which is about once a month.

    So, finding a job is VERY DIFFICULT AND DISCOURAGING, but can be done. Just keep knocking on doors; persistence pays off! And cold calling yourself pays off. Stand outside of the doors of companies you want to work for and pass out resumes and business cards ….. you never know who you’ll encounter.

  134. I got two words for everyone: health care… go back to school, now..dont waste your time with this mediocre crap..things are going in a direction (service/retail etc) and will not be turning back; that is until all the other countries that build things catch up and a better wage becomes an issue; Inside of 50 years, we went from the ideal that if, you werent the college type, you could go work at the “widget” plant, make a helluva wage, and retire from there. Now, everyone has 6 jobs before they retire. One thing that we can count on, is that health care will only get better, with more technology, meds, facilities, and specialties, the possibilities are abundant. My story in a nutshell is this: Graduated from a liberal arts school with a business degree, with spanish and marketing minors; had four bull-bleep jobs that stunk with little future (averaging about 32 K)..the last of which sent me over the edge; One day while driving around cold calling, I snapped, pulled into a TGI friday’s, filled out an app (got hired a couple days later) then put in my 2 weeks, then went back to the same school i graduated from and got into a summer class: anatomy/phisiology I….It was hard for a single guy at age 27 when i was supposed to be moving up some perverbial ‘ladder’ that is obselete these days, so i could only imagine what is was like for parents, or single moms to do what i was doing; after i got over my inhibitions about bathing old people, and cleaning up poo and vomit, i found a new identitiy as a registered nurse… after 3 years, i have moved up 2 tax brackets, and could (technically) retire in my fifties, but i love my job too much to do that…the thing is, you dont have to be a nurse, and you certainly dont have to clean up bodily fluids; there are tons of people at my hospital that have RN tags that wear great business attire or suits to work too and sit at a desk…I happened to discover that I like the hands on stuff, something i never dreamed of doing. If something calls you to make a change, follow your gut, because even a better ecoonomy will only minimally change this new phenomenon of a bachelor’s degree being a dime-a-dozen

  135. Wha-wha-what!?? That’s a ridiculous statement. I had a near-perfect GPA, and I didn’t always study (though rest-assured I DID study). I worked on the newspaper, was the college TV producer, and learned Chinese independently. I also held two jobs. I’m not really buying that you won’t hire a grad that has a high GPA because that means they have no life. Also, I should add that I am currently a teacher overseas (no licensure), teaching English, and making close to $25 an hour.

    In regards to this article, people need a skill–any skill–to succeed in the workplace. You also have to have very specific clear vision and goals. “Graduate and make $40,000 working at a company” is not a specific enough goal. Therefore, it matters not what degree you have, but what you intend to do with it.

    Also, it does not help to have a negative view of anything. If you woke up every morning without a job but told yourself that you were happy and the world was fine, then voila!–you’re happy and the world is fine. If you wake up every day and say the economy is awful, America is failing, and you’ll never get a job, then no surprise–you’ll be miserable and you’ll never get a job and America will fail. Power of positive thinking and self-fullfilling prophecy summed up in one paragraph.

  136. Dave,

    Am currently an O-3 (6 yrs of active duty service) in the Navy. Have been thinking of getting out and your post caught my eye. Any way you would be willing to provide more info on how you assist Vets find employment? Am looking to go in to some type of law enforcement—be it at the federal or city/state level.

    Thanks for your time.

    Brooke

  137. To Jon,

    I have a BA in English, and I am working.

    My friend got his BA in English, and he got a job making $45000 upon graduation.

    Michael Eisner? BA in English.

    James Cameron? English major.

    Matt Damon? English major.

    Stephen King? English major.

    Sally Ride? English major.

    Diane Sawyer? Stephen Spielberg? Barbara Walters? All English majors. A very long list of actors and actresses were all English majors.

    The degree means nothing. It’s your focus and goals that matter.

  138. It’s good to have a degree as a back-up but the job that I have right now, pays $58,000 a year (can make more if you work ot), full benefits and more. All you need to do is type 35 words a minute, data entry, customer service. No degree required. That’s really nothing.

  139. I would agree with you, but I think you are forgetting that these kids still have to pay their student loans back. I think that is one of the main issues. Kids go to college to get a degree but they can’t find a job that pays well enough now to pay off the loans. Schools keep raising tuition rates higher and higher each year. I just think that is one factor many people are not considering.

  140. I graduated in May of 2008 with a degree in Secondary Education. I have been employed since June of that year working in a high school in Rural South Carolina. It is my opinion that the people who are having trouble finding work are often being too picky with their criteria. Many of my classmates are still unemployed, working part time or working outside of education. In my experience, if you are willing to be flexible with your expectaitons, you can find work even in this modern economy.

  141. Well, various analysts and government agencies are reporting that the job market is improving. The economy is improving. Everyone’s sex lives are improving. Whatever.

    All kidding aside, the economy may be improving as a whole. This will mean nothing to many people, if it isn’t improving where THEY live.

    I am going to be graduating with a B.S. in Animal Science, and I am facing STIFF competion for entry-level jobs. This is primarily due to the fact that I am 39, with 3 children under the age of 10. My husband has worked his way up the ladder at his job, and cannot just walk away from that! A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, right?

    I absolutely lack flexibilty in work locations. If I could pick up and move across the country for a job, I WOULD!!! I am at a disadvantage compared to a 20-something who has no ‘encumbrances’, in the same field.

    In my favor, I am intelligent, hard-working, creative, and used to stress. I will need to draw upon all of these attributes when I am waiting tables, ha ha. At least it will pay the bills until I land something better!

  142. …and the individual has more to do w/ their success that what field they majored in. I personally wanted an adaptable degree, so I majored in liberal arts and supplemented it w/ economics and business. I loved it, and wouldn’t change a thing. Worked out pretty well. And really, my major is one of the lesser causes of why I’m doing well.

    One needs to be flexible in the 21st century economy. For as many unemployed arts majors there are, there are just as many unemployed engineers and architects.

  143. Seeing article after article on the classes of 2009 and 2010 makes me cringe.

    I graduated in December of 2008 with a BS in Geography and a minor in Web Design. Sorta a unique major, but I was hoping to find a career in GIS, or Geographic Information Systems. Basically making maps and managing geographic data. I absolutely love it. I made a few mistakes in college, such as drinking a bit and studying enough to get by (aka not retaining the information). I had to pay my way through college since my parents wouldn’t, not like they could anyway. I worked my butt off during the summers and still got into about $40k in student loan debt. Granted I spent some of the loan money like crazy on useless things, like drinking money and a new computer.

    Point is, the 4 year experience in college taught me some valuable lessons, unfortunately the hard way. Now, here I am, working shit-level minimum wage jobs, no job in my field, and as each month passes by I’m losing time I could be using to work in my field. Fortunately, I managed to take on two paid internships, and I do not regret taking them at all. I have great contacts for networking now, and know they would send job opportunities my way should one come up.

    I’m going back to school, for an IT Programming degree. More education? You’re damn right. I feel the jobs I want are turning more to the IT side of things for GIS, such as application development. Another $8-10k of debt, but a small price to pay to make up for the mistakes I made. I’m ready to work my ass off, in both semesters and during summers working at a manufacturing plant I recently started at. I also want to obtain and/or tune up valuable work skills such as being a team player, adaptability and having much higher motivation skills. I fucked up – I admit it. But now I am owning up to that, and proving to myself that I can work hard.

  144. My advice is for her to move to an area where she can get a job. Right now they are needing teachers in west Texas and in the metroplex. Sometimes you have to go where there is work not where you want to work.

  145. I recently graduated as Registered Nurse in Miami, FL and cant find a job and am stuck making $24,000 as a receptionist in some law firm; so much for a recession proof career!

  146. It’s all about WHO you know, not WHAT you know. Education is used as a backup. And in the entertainment/arts industry, looks and personality come first and foremost >(

  147. I went to a Engineering, Math and Science college and graduated in ’08. I checked my school’s website and in ’09 (on the date of graduation) 83% of grads had either a job offer or had committed to graduate school or the military. Then within 3 months of graduation 90% of our class of ’09 had an offer or had committed to grad school or the military. Prior to the recession these numbers were historically ~95-99%. The average job offer at my school for ’09 grads was $59,464 (and the majority of these job offers are for the midwest where the cost of living is significaly lower than either of the coasts). Our career services dept posted an article last year talking about how Engineering, Math and Science students were being effected by the recession…. their conclusion was that our students were getting 1-3 job offers per person instead of 3-6 that students were seeing in previous years. It’s good to be an Engineer!

  148. I don’t feel sorry for any college graduate with a ‘soft’ degree who can’t find work. I have degrees in chemistry and physics and the work load I had to endure was incredible. I would hire anyone with a science, math or engineering degree with a 2.00 GPA over someone with a useless marketing, history or communications degree with a 4.00 GPA.

  149. Why do people go to these expensive schools and get these mickey mouse degrees? I know a guy who graduated from Harvard with a degree in POLY SCI and is now a substitute teacher and has been for 5 years

  150. I have a degree from a public school in electrical engineering 5 years
    decided to go to med school 4 years
    did Family Practice 3 years
    when I finished, I had my pick of jobs in any town in the nation. Interviewed for three in my hometown 20 minutes from the beach. All payed signing bonus, moving bonus, school loan repayment. guarantee salary, 4 weeks vacation. 4 1/2 day work week. call every 8 days, free health insurance, free disability insurance, etc. Just finished getting board certified in sleep medicine. this should eventually increase salary by 25% or more. Yes this is a lot of education but worth it. If you can’t do this. Go to PA school. 4 years of college and 2 yrs of school. can make 100,000 a year, easy to get a job, we just hired one and had a posting out for 6 months looking for one.
    my wife is a nurse and also has her pick of jobs

  151. I usta coudn’t spell salzmun — now I r one. Yuk–Yuk.
    Try realizing what it is you want to do for a career and align yourself for that.
    When you get there, you can expand from there.

    McDonalds has a burger college.

    Don’t restrict yourself to one area of the country.
    I had a technal degree — $49,000.

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